Hasta La Bye Bye...

[Colli]

For those of you who haven't been around for a while, this thread might contain some spoilers.
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It's a pretty well known fact that JKR is going to have one of the characters die in Book 5: Order of the Phoenix. A death that will be "difficult to write", the person is also supposed to be a "fan" of Harry's.

We had a thread like this back at the old CoE MI. I decided not to make this a poll because there are just so many options. :D

Speculation is great. :D

So who's going to snuff it?

My money's on Hagrid or Ron, and "maybe" with Lupin.

[Rivenlas]

Not Ron or Lupin. I like Hagrid, but he's sort of expendable. Anyway, here's a list I came up with of people, if I had a choice, that I would kill off. Not that I don't like them but I'm protecting my fave characters.

Colin Creevey
Dennis Creevey
Ernie Macmillan
Penelope Clearwater
Trelawney
Justin Finch-Fletchley
If one of the Weasleys then Ginny...
Dudley
Piers Polkiss(he's hardly a major character)
Aunt Petunia or Uncle Vernon
Narcissa Malfoy--just as long as it isn't Draco or Lucius
Dobby
Winky
Fudge
Cho
Or think: The return (and terrible death) of Lockhart (although I rather like him a lot since Branaugh played him!

[amrael]

Ron? I don't really think she'll kill one of the main characters. At least not until book 7.

Hagrid is a very likely choice, though I wouldn't like it at all.


Same for Lupin.

I wouldn't mind that much if she killed Sirius off, though. ;)

But as long as it's not Snape or Hemione I think I'll be able to take it.

[Moxie]

Rowling's description of the casualty-to-be as a "fan" suggests to me that Ginny, Dobby, or a Creevey is most likely. Hagrid and most of the Weasleys could also be considered strong contenders, but the Malfoys, the Dursleys, and Snape (whew! ;)) are probably longshots on Rowling's To-Die list.

[Kristin]

I agree with Moxie. :)

I think it's going to be Hagrid. Although Lupin seems very possible, too. :(

I can't imagine that Ron is going to die (at least not before book 7). But I doubt that the entire Weasley family will come through unscathed.

I also think the professors could be at risk (especially ones like Sprout and Flitwick). And my guess is that Dumbledore won't survive the series.

[Colli]

Ron is my weakest argument... I was just getting a weird vibe last time I read GoF. Plus, "he's a main character, he can't die" doesn't really flow with the writing philosophy JKR uses. She likes to mix things up, do things unexpectedly. I wouldn't rule Ron out just because he's one of Harry's friends.

At first I really thought it was going to be Hagrid... but now that the majority of people (in other places, I've noticed it) believe it will be him... it kinda ruins it.

amrael, you don't like Sirius? I love it when he and Snape interact... it brings out Snape's evil nastiness. :D

Yup... the Malfoys and Snape do look safe. Breaths a sigh of relief

[Irys]

I don't think I could guess and really get it right. I didn't guess it was Cedric in GoF. I'm really bad at guessing anyways, but I've never predicted anything acurrately in HP.

I can predict just how much it will make me cry. :rolleyes: Especially if it's someone I like, but I'd even cry if it wasn't someone I'm very fond of. I'm quite a crybaby.

[Colli]

Oh me too.

I sit there and bawl when Harry tries not to cry at the end of GoF...

I stared at the page in shock and horror when Cedric died... THEN I started crying. My friends had told me someone died, but they had also said that it wasn't anyone "important". :mad:

I don't think it will be Dobby or Winky... while I like them, neither would seem terribly painful to read about.

[Amberion]

I would hate it to be Hagrid as he is my favourite character

I'm betting on Colin Creevey

[Hellga]

As long as it is not Lupin or Sirius or Ron I can take it. Some can be more painful, some less, but these three are the ones I would hate to see dead.

[Elfëa]

I don't think any of the trio will die, not yet, maybe later. But I have feeling that one of the major characters will die.
Perhaps it'll be Dumbledore, or Hagrid - perhaps "fan of Harry's" is sarcastic and it'll be a bad guy - has anyone considered that Pettigrew is in depth to Harry, so he might actually end up killing himself, if he'd try to kill Harry...

I don't really know.
I want to get rid of Creevy :p

[Colli]

I don't really see why she'd kill Creevey.

It's not like anyone'd miss him. :p :devil:

[Elfëa]

Yeah, I know.

But can't I dream? :p

[Fleurdelacour]

lol Colli!

She wont kill Colin - its to obvious..

If she killed Ron, I don't think I could bare it... I would literally, sit there crying my eyes out.

[Remus]

Whoever it is, I'm bound not to get it right and I don't really mind who it is, so long as it's not Lupin, I so wouldn't cope if it was him.

[Elfëa]

So whose death we could cope with?

Personally I could not cope with the death of:
Harry
Hermione
Ron
Draco
Ginny
Twins
None of Weasley family

Almost could:
Sirius
Dursleys
Lupin
Snape

Could:
Dumbledore
Pettigrew
Voldemort
Lucius Malfoy

want dead:
Colin Creevy (I just can't help it)


:D

[Colli]

LOL Fleurd and Elfea!

Elfea, should we post the seventh son theory here? All that stuff we're talking about at KD is really cool.

I'm willing to sacrifice a few cool characters (with the exception of Snape) to make the book exciting. :D

[Elfëa]

We should... just point where. :D

Not going to do it right now anyway, there's like HUGE queue in the comp room and I'm feeling bad about it and will go to get some shut eye... :p

I know with fanfiction, I will be killing few authors if they're going to kill Draco... Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind if Rowling killed her Draco... it's the fanfictional Draco that I'm attached with :o

[Colli]

I just read this somewhere:

I believe the one to get the "axe" in book 5 will be none other than Mrs. Weasley. Let's face it, she's become Harry's surrogate mother, and is definately a "fan." On an episode of "Biography" featuring J.K. Rowling, she specifically stated that one event in her own personal life that significantly changed the overall plot of the books was her own mother's death. It makes sense. If Mrs. Weasly died J.K. would in fact be writing the death of her own mother for the world, hence it being "horrible to write." Ginny would be like Rowling -- a girl growing up without a mother. This would set her up to be a strong female role and might help Harry to "notice" Ginny for the first time.

(edit) Elfea, just start a new thread :D

[Elfëa]

Hm. Mrs. Weasley's death?

I wouldn't put my money on that - But I'd like the idea of Harry noticing Ginny ;) (Okay, I'm hopeless romantic :o)

Some how, her character would need little more depth in her just to make her death more effective.

Just wondering, are there characters who do NOT need little more depth to make their deaths effective?


Colli, tomorrow, my brain's mushrooms today - I'll go to the library later... :p (=tomorrow, cause it's 11.20pm here...)

[amrael]

Mrs Weasley? I hope not. I'm not much of a Harry fan, but I think it would turn everything depressingly dark for him if both his real mother and his 'surrogate' mother were killed by Voldemort.

Colin Creevey sounds the best option for me. :D

[Fleurdelacour]

DOWN WITH CREEVY! ;)

If these died, JKR would too be dead

Ron - she can not kill him, Ron is just, lovely! Not my Ron!
Hermione
Harry (I hate him, but then no more books ;) )
ANY Weasley actaully, apart from Percy
Draco
Dumbledore
Hagrid


I can see Hagrid being killed, I can see her being evil...
:(

[Elfëa]

Okay, who DOESN*T want Creevy killed? ;)

[Colli]

Sheesh FleurD, she's not being evil when she kills cool characters! ;)

She hated killing Cedric... she cried!

But if it fulfills her purpose, I'm all for it.

There's really no chance of Dumbledore dying until book 7. He serves way too many purposes. He's Harry's "great-grandpa".. he always sticks up for him, and he's practically all-knowing. Mrs McGonagall's a great wizard, but she's not ready to step in as headmaster.

Plus he has to face Voldemort at SOME point! He's the only wizard Tom ever feared.. it wouldn't be fun having their big duel before book 7. :D

[Sirius Black]

Naa, I think with Harry coping with Lily's death Rowling has had enough autobiographical therapy, if she really needed that.
Ginny seems likely, if it is a 'fan' - but where's that from? All I've read so far was 'someone close to Harry', which is very broad. The main suggestion so far was Dumbledore - and I personally would hate Hogwarts without him.
As we haven't got enough female roles anyway, I do think it's gonna be a male again (that's my twisted logic). That would rule out the DADA teacher as a likely death candidate though.

Isn't it great?
:confused:
SB

[Elfëa]

Can't we just have Creevy dead? ;)

All we can do is to speculate and wait -

Should we start betting? ;)

[Colli]

Sorry, Elfea.

Dennis Creevey could easily turn out as annoying as Colin, and what are the chances that she kills both of them?

Unless, of course, they end up being the Heirs of Hufflepuff and the Hufflepuff monster is ashamed of them being in Gryffindor, so it lures them into its cave and kills them. :p

Book 6: Harry Potter and the Hufflepuff Badger of Doom. :rolleyes:

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Sorry... got carried away.

I watched this cartoon called Gargoyles a lot growing up, it was big on mythology.

So I have this idea instilled in my head that since Harry and Voldemort are connected, if one of them feels intense pain, so does the other. I bet that the only person that can kill Voldie is Harry, and when Voldemort dies, so does Harry. They're connected in such a way that one can't survive without the other. (Made for each other :swoon: ;)) Voldemort is restored to his own body only through Harry's blood, and many of Harry's powers and characteristics come from Voldemort himself.

Of course, that's incredibly chiche and more than likely untrue, but it's still in my head. It's a thought.

And Gargoyles was a cool show. :p

[Rivenlas]

I would cry if she killed off Harry. I might be a villain worshipper, but Harry just can't die! I root for the good guys too, I guess. (sheepish grin) Why can't they all just get along? Okay, maybe wait 'til the 7th book and then get along. Or maybe they'll misguess and Harry will think he's going to die when he kills Voldie but really won't, kind of like CoS.

[Colli]

LOL I root for the good guys, too (cross reference: LotR) but I'm all for a good story. If Rowling has to kill off a few cool characters to achieve her end, I'm fine. :D I just want to be entertained. (talk about easy to please :rolleyes: )

The honor is found in the end, not the means. This will be forgotten. :p

I love watching tragically depressing movies... I love a good cry. I used to read these books about teenagers with cancer... the ones that made me cry were the ones that I read over and over again. (Cross reference: Hankie thread in Movies)

So in all those interviews at MuggleNet, when people mention Harry's future she responds with a "What makes you think he won't die?"

Do you think she's just trying to keep us guessing, using reverse psychology, or using double reverse psychology?

[Sirius Black]

At least triple! :D

Voldy and Harry in this way intertwined has also been one of my theories. And since Dumbledore looked funny, hearing that Harry's blood now flows through Voldemort's veins he is pondering on who should have the honours of killing Harry. 'course it's really easy now to do away with Voldemort - you just have to figure out the right way. Should Sirius run him over on his motorbike? Hagrid take him for a visit at Aragog's? Hermione feed him some manipulated potion?
That'll take at least 2 books until Dumbledore made up his mind!

(god, I'm sick)

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Sirius Black
At least triple! :D

Voldy and Harry in this way intertwined has also been one of my theories. And since Dumbledore looked funny, hearing that Harry's blood now flows through Voldemort's veins he is pondering on who should have the honours of killing Harry. 'course it's really easy now to do away with Voldemort - you just have to figure out the right way. Should Sirius run him over on his motorbike? Hagrid take him for a visit at Aragog's? Hermione feed him some manipulated potion?
That'll take at least 2 books until Dumbledore made up his mind!

(god, I'm sick)


:jawdrop: :rotfl:

Well, I do have considered that killing Harry (now that he and Voldie are connected even more) might kill Voldemort as well... ;)

[Fleur]

I think Hagrid. Tcha. :( But he is very lovable and kind and honest and it will hurt the most to lose him although not necessarily very important to the plot, and that is why I think so. Life's tough.

If it is Remus, Sirius or Ron I will personally track down JK and... tell her how much I adore her and her books. But I stil will be very pissed off about it. (She wouldn't - would she?)

The way she goes on about killing Harry off is sucha big bluff.


(although I kinda hope it's not ;))

[Fleurdelacour]

Originally posted by Colli


So I have this idea instilled in my head that since Harry and Voldemort are connected, if one of them feels intense pain, so does the other. I bet that the only person that can kill Voldie is Harry, and when Voldemort dies, so does Harry. They're connected in such a way that one can't survive without the other. (Made for each other :swoon: ;)) Voldemort is restored to his own body only through Harry's blood, and many of Harry's powers and characteristics come from Voldemort himself.



I had that idea too! How weird...

[gamgee's1mellon]

So she can't kill Harry now obviously. Then there wouldn't be 6th and 7th books! It is the HARRY POTTER series.

I honestly don't think she would kill Dumbledore yet. Something incredibly major has yet to happen between him and Voldy.

Although I am *NOT* a fan of Colin, I don't think she would kill him just because he isn't that major. The person is going to be major and important and heart wrenching.

If she kills Ron, I will find her and rip her to pieces. If she kills Ron, I will throw away every Harry Potter thing I own. If she kills Ron, I will not even finish the book. If she kills Ron, I will die! :jawdrop:

I think it is likely Hagrid. I know everyone is saying that but it honestly makes sense to me. It hurts to say that but he is such a likely candidate. He loves Harry so much, yet the books can progress with out him. I dunno, it makes sense in my head. :D

[Pilgrim Grey]

I think it might be Ginny. She's going to have a "bigger" role in OoTP, but she doesn't really have much to do, does she?

How's that Sirius? :)

[Elfëa]

I'm starting to feel that who ever she'll kill I'm going to cry and be :mad: at her... :(


Ginny? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[amrael]

So she can't kill Harry now obviously. Then there wouldn't be 6th and 7th books! It is the HARRY POTTER series.

You could always name them The Ghost of Harry Potter and... :D


I've stolen this from some other post at KD, I think. If I find it, I'll give credit where it is due.

[Seriphus]

Is it definitely an established character that's going to die? After all we'd barely come across Cedric before GoF. Maybe it'll be someone new(ish) to the series- Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher, for instance.

Serphy

[Colli]

Well she implied that it was a character that she loved that would be hard for her to write. I know she's had these characters in her head for 10 years, but I can't see her being too attached to a character she hasn't written yet.

Just my reasoning. :D

[Sirius Black]

But then... she cried writing Cedric's death.... Awww, those sensitive authors! ;)
Man, I know it make sense and all - but I would sure miss Hagrid. Harry can't positively loose a second father??
I reckon though, after Cedric - a female character's had it. Pilgrim Grey - it's not the most considerate comment, but you've got a point there...
gm - I DO agree about Ron wholeheartedly! NO way. Though, the day I'll burn the books in the garden will be the day Dumbledore dies. (but I think I keep going on about this)
What the heck. They'll all be reincarnated anyway.
SB

[gamgee's1mellon]

Ginny? Yeah maybe. That'd be sad. The poor Weasleys :(

She cried writing Ced's death, I cried reading it, it's just a big circle of crying! :D I think writing anyone's death has to be sad! So we'll see.

The Ghost of Harry Potter
Ha ha, that'd be funny! :D

[Elfëa]

All I say :

Thank God to Fanfiction and all the Alternative Universes :p

I put my money on Hagrid - AND that it'll happen in the begining of the book...

Dunno why, foreboding? I hope. :p ;)

[amrael]

I'd be very sorry to see Hagrid die, but I am afraid he'll go down. :(

Posted by Pilgrim Grey

I think it might be Ginny. She's going to have a "bigger" role in OoTP, but really, what is there for her to do other than die?

Maybe keeping Harry busy while Ron and Mione...?

[Elfëa]

LOL amrael... :) I'd like that... :D

The more I think about the possiblity of losing Hagrid - and how it would affect the characters - not to mention:

it's always the innocent who die first

Hagrid is like a big child - he is innocent.

Ginny is not innocent, and she's been "down" once. Yet JKR has a tendecy to re-use her ideas... or twice use them, at least so far :)

[Ravenclaw]

I think the next person to die is going to be....

................................................




(Are you ready???)




:p



HEDWIG!

(Raven runs away laughing like a maniac.)

Seriously, though, who says the next death has to be human? lol. Hedwig IS a fan of Harry... sorta... when she's not mad at him...

Hey, I've an idea, let's go kill Mrs. Noris.

[Amberion]

Somehow I dont think Mrs Norris counts as a Harry fan:D

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Ravenclaw
Hey, I've an idea, let's go kill Mrs. Noris.

Hey! :D

That's as good idea as killing Creeveys :p ;)

[Seriphus]

Hey, I've an idea, let's go kill Mrs. Noris.

Nooo! You leave Mrs Norris alone! :trout:

[mallorniphredil]

I heard somewhere that it would be Fred Weasley! :D

[Elfëa]

How can they tell it's Fred - I mean, it could be George - they are sooo alike :p

[Amberion]

Wouldn't it be funny if she killed the wrong one because even she could not tell them apart;)

[Pilgrim Grey]

Pilgrim Grey - it's not the most considerate comment, but you've got a point there...

Yeah, it is a bit harsh, isn't it. I'll change it now :)

[gamgee's1mellon]

Wouldn't it be funny if she killed the wrong one because even she could not tell them apart
:rotfl:

YEAH! Kill Mrs. Norris! WOO HOO!

Y'all are so mean to those darn Creevey kids! That's ok though, they are rather, erm, disturbing.

[Smeagol]

Fred and George?!?!?! NO WAY! Those two are definetly my favorite charcters...complete scoundrels that provide great comic relief in numerous occasion (I'm still ticked they got so shafted in the movies). My money's on Hagrid, though it will kill me to see him go...he's endured so much throughout the books (going to Azkaban, all that grief he took about being a giant, sort of losing buckbeak and others) that him dying would just be too sad.


Of course, nothing Rowling ever wrote will compare to Gollum dying....saddest. ending. ever!

[Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by Smeagol
My money's on Hagrid, though it will kill me to see him go...he's endured so much throughout the books (going to Azkaban, all that grief he took about being a giant, sort of losing buckbeak and others)

Not to mention being kicked outa school in his third year for all the wrong reasons!

[gamgee's1mellon]

I think we can all agree that Hagrid in no way deserves to do. Course, does anyone other than like, the Malfoys and other Death-Eaters and Voldy? And JKR isn't going to kill one of them yet so anyone she kills will be sad. Poor character-who-dies :(

[amrael]

I could settle for Filch going. And Mrs Norris, and we get two deaths for the price of one... ;)

[Sirius Black]

Do not be eager to deal out death and punishment - men who live deserve death and men who die deserve life - can YOU give it to them?

(oops, wrong book) :D
SB

[amrael]

Oh, no. Not me. But as it seems fairly certain that our dear JKR will be dealing death and punishment galore, we may prod her in the best direction.

No?


;)

[Ravenclaw]

Ravenclaw's new un-thought of person-to-die is....


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Cho Chang

No, seriously on this one. What if (going on a limb here) Harry actually started dating Cho and she died! That would be difficult to write, the death of Harry's girlfriend, and she would count as a fan... eh?

I think I think too much to think of unusual answers to this question "Who's gonna die next?"

[Sirius Black]

Oh, I know a better death for Cho then... she drowns herself in the Prefect's Bathroom out of grief for Cedric.
:rolleyes:

Amrael, Amrael... how then can you say that anybody deserves death? Like... Voldemort??
SB

[amrael]

Because I'm EVIL!!!!!!!


HaHaHaHa!!!!!!!

:p

[Sirius Black]

Ok, NOW I'm scared. ;)
Well - if you're evil, shouldn't you say 'Voldemort deserves to live! He's a cool dude!' ???
SB

[gamgee's1mellon]

Eru, Cho dying would be so sad!!! Harry would be so upset!!!! Ok, drowning in the Prefect's bathroom would be SO depressing!!!!

amrael, you really are evil, aren't you? ;)

[Colli]

:D Cho dying.. I wouldn't mind too much.


:clap: It's times like this that I'm SOOO glad Snape hates Harry. :p

[Elfëa]

Wouldn't mind Cho, but Harry certainly would, so...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! ;) :D :p


Seriously... what if it's... it's... :eek: Sirius? Lupin?

I can deal with Hagrid tho... or no... he's important character creating the atmoshphere... (I just can't spell that word :o)

You know, the Fan of Harry's can be sarcastic Colli... ;)

What if it's SNAPE??? :cool: :cool:


(Okay, don't :trout: me colli... please... I don't like trouts... :p)

[Colli]

:D But see, it won't be Snape, because I'd miss him too much.


But I'll trout you anyway. ;)

:trout:


Hehehe it'll be Lupin and girls everywhere will cry in their cereal every morning... :devil:

[Elfëa]

I won't cry for him... :p

I'll die for him ;)

Nah... I'm not as fanatic as I might sound :p

[Colli]

:D But I am.

And I'd die for Snape, although I'd much prefer for Harry to do the honors (book 7... PLEASE).

[Fleurdelacour]

Snape can't die! You need a bit of teacher villians! :D

Say, the terrible happened, and Ron did a Cedric! :( :eek: :jawdrop: NOOO!

NOT MY RON!

[Elfëa]

hmmm... should we just make a list of ALL the characters and then say who shouldn't die... :rolleyes:

At this rate we don't want anyone dead...

well, we just don't want to be murderers right? :D

Colli, you want Harry die for Snape? ?

:jawdrop: For that I have to :trout: you


twice :trout: :p

[Colli]

No... Harry dies to save Snape and it tortures him for like forever... so Harry's illegitimate child comes along and Snape's his teacher at school... and Snape has to teach him and he's really mean. :D

It's the cycle of hate... :swoon: Maybe we'll end up with The Adventures of Lucius and Severus or something..

But if Harry died for Snape, well, that'd be too cool.

1) Harry would die ;)
2) Snape wouldn't
3) see my first paragraph
4) more book time for Snape
5) less book time for Harry

[Elfëa]

:rolleyes:

Colli, you're impossible :p

[Colli]

:) Thank you.

[Elfëa]

Ei kestä kiittää :p

[Colli]

Um, same to you! :p ;)

[Elfëa]

Be thankful that I wasn't cursing :p

Let's all say byebye to Snape, shall we? I don't like him :p

[Colli]

"Not taking praise"? :LOL:

Colli troutsmacks Elfea beyond all reckoning

[Elfëa]

:rolleyes:

Be thankfull that we aren't in the same room...

Waait... I think it's me who should be thankful, right??? :o :p

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Elfëa
Seriously... what if it's... it's... :eek: Sirius? Lupin?


I cannot deal with this. :( (I'm still expecting it to be Hagrid. I really hope it's not Sirius or Lupin.)

As excited as I am about OOTP, I forgot that we're also going to have to find out who dies! :eek:

[Elfëa]

I hope I truly hope, that they have tricked us and no one dies :)
Siriously, I don't know can I cope with death of a main character... I almost cried for Cedric :eek: - and I don't cry. :)

[amrael]

Posted by Colli

But if Harry died for Snape, well, that'd be too cool.

1) Harry would die
2) Snape wouldn't
3) see my first paragraph
4) more book time for Snape
5) less book time for Harry


O great wisdom. May the gods grant you true sight.

:notworthy


I fear for Hagrid, or maybe Lupin. :(

I still think Creevey would be the best choice. :D

[Colli]

Colli :hug:s amrael

I always knew I liked you. :D

I'm really afraid it'll be Hagrid, but then again, that seems most obvious. JKR doesn't like obvious! Lupin's a worry, too.. but I think Sirius is safe. It's not likely that Harry'll lose another "family" member...

Elfea, no hard feelings. ;) :trout:

[Elfëa]

Colli, this means war :trout:

I think the one who we fear the most if Hagrid, but the one we all want to get rid of is Colin Creevey, right? :D

[Colli]

You're SOO mean! :trout:

;)

How about Viktor Krum? Ohhh... or Fleur. Then we could watch Orli die in the OotP movie. (sorry :devil: ) I mean... after all those sad elf-faces in TTT... a slow, painful death should be no problem. :D

[Elfëa]

Colli you're so mean!

The mental image!

:trout: :trout: :trout:

I hates these nassty fisshesssss...

[Ravenclaw]

:trout: to both of you, Colli and Elfëa for all the :trout:-ing.

Nah, not really... It's quite funny, actually. This whole thread can become a trouting match.

Rave's "unthought of person/people to die" of the week is...






Be ready for it....



Drum roll please.....




Fred and/or George

Think about it. They're great, I love them so much, but really, there's lotsa stuff going against them.

[list=1]
They're completing their final year at Hogwarts-- No need for them in future books instead of small mentioning, they have GOT to play a key role SOMETIME, and it would be extra sad if one or both of them died before graduating. :(
They're Weasleys. I mean, think, it's the same with Ginny. If one of Ron's siblings (or two) died, it would kill him (no punn intended), wouldn't it? And Harry would be mad with guilt, even more so than he was with Cedric. Perfect plot device. Misery makes for great writing.
They're twins-- If one of them died and the other survived, that would be really hard on the surviving twin. But if BOTH of them died, it would be a double-whammy for the Weasley family. Either way, so much could be done with that.
It's unexpected-- Everyone here haven't considered the comic relief characters. But Rowling could always introduce other funny characters. I mean, have any of you mentioned this? (in detail... If you said "a Weasley could die" it doesn't count)
Technically, they ARE Harry's fans-- (don't ask me to explain this. I had it all worked out last night but it was really complicated and I forgot in the morning)
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Does that make sense or did I just make a total fool of myself? But I hope I'm wrong. I mean, what are the odds, eh?

[Colli]

They'd HAVE to be Harry's fans, he gave them 1000 galleons! A galleon equals about five pounds ($7.30 or 8 Euro)... 7300 dollars!

I see your point, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to :trout: you anyway. ;)

[Elfëa]

Colli, you :trout:ed Rave instead? :cool:

Should we start betting for who's going to die? :p I still have my money on Hagrid...

wait.. .what if it's Crookhanks? :p

[Colli]

Then good! I love cats, but he's annoying! :trout:

And Raven, I actually wouldn't mind if George died, but not Fred. :D Fred's too cool for that.

I don't know, Elfea, surely there's something interesting we can do with this topic.

[Elfëa]

Fred and George...

can you seriosly tell the difference?? :o :o

hmm... shall we bet Galleons? :D

[Colli]

Hm.. I'd have to think about my mental list of people. I think we should bet something "real", like online. Like dares, or favors, or scavenger hunts or something. :devil: Until Kristin and Amb come in and kindly tell us to stop, anyway. ;)

[Elfëa]

Colli, even better idea :D

Hmm... I could dare the ones who say that Harry will die to to to to... hmm... post a Harry fic? :p nah...

[Colli]

Hehehe... except NO ONE thinks Harry dies in OotP. :D And I'm not sure I'm going to live long enough to read the 7th...

I saw your post in KD. :D Bets on the Snape/vampire theory? :devil:

[amrael]

Nah, not VampireSnape. I mean, that's sort of OK for fan fiction but it would be too much for the real thing.

Though the theory has its merits. We could have Snape dramatically killed at the end of OotP and then make a comeback as a vampire in Book 6. Just imagine the reaction of poor Neville if he had to face a newly turned Snape Vampire in class. :devil:

Or Lupin complaining that a Vampire was teaching at Hogwarts when everybody knows werewolves are much safer... :D

[Colli]

:D Neville will die of fright... :devil:

[Elfëa]

You're so mean Colli :trout:

I actually haven't stumbled on any SnapeVampire fiction :eek:

The theory is too good to be written as fiction...

but do you think I should put any money on my hopes getting Creevey killed? He's so obvious - everyone thinks so... so I actually think about reverse psychology could get JKR kill him :devil:

[Colli]

:devil: I stand by what I said before.

He'd have to be missed. ;)


:trout:

[Elfëa]

Well, Harry's such a kindered spirit, he'd miss anyone...

I mean, he misses Cedric as well :p

[amrael]

I actually haven't stumbled on any SnapeVampire fiction

:eek:

I have, and most of them were not very good, so you're missing nothing at all. The authors start on this promising idea and then are unable to do anything with it. I mean, Snape goes around in daylight ( though this might be after all the reason behind the greasy hair: think about the heavy duty sunscreen he must need. :D ), you can see his reflection in a mirror and seems to be after the Gryffs blood only metaphorically so either he is a very peculiar kind of vampire or there would be far too many inconsistencies everywhere.


Becoming a vampire in book 5 or later doesn't sound that impossible for me. And I would like to see that... ;)

[Elfëa]

ah, but some of the vampire myths don't have to be true... and he could be brewing some potion for himself so he can take sunlight (in Harry's first year he judged Hufflepuff-Gryffindor Quiddich game, he has to be able to go outside :p)

Ah... I love the way my mind works sometimes... ;) (I really really can almost explain things today :o)

It's not impossible - it's a fantasy world, everything is possible. Whatever JKR wants, it can happen.
If she wants to turn Harry to Dementor, she can do it :p And Dumbledore to Voldemort and so on...

And think about it, she could even turn Snape into a huge greasy bat (yuck :barf: )

[Colli]

Originally posted by amrael
Nah, not VampireSnape. I mean, that's sort of OK for fan fiction but it would be too much for the real thing.
Becoming a vampire in book 5 or later doesn't sound that impossible for me. And I would like to see that...

:D May I say how utterly impressed I am at your ability to change your mind so quickly? ;)

And Elfea, we don't KNOW he misses Cedric. We just know he was sad he died. :D Now that Cho's available...

[Elfëa]

Yes, but somehow it felt to me that he cannot get Cho because Cedric's dead. He never could disrespect his memory after all. Not the Harry JKR presents in his books anyway.

[Colli]

I agree.. that's not what I meant. :D

Now that Cedric's dead I don't think he has much of a chance with Cho, either.. but he and Ced weren't incredibly good friends. They kind of bonded because of the Tourney, but I never got the impression that they were buddies or anything. I mean, I've known people that have died before that I was sad about, but (meaning absolutely no respect to them) we weren't close enough that I MISS them.

Point thoroughly squashed? Thought so. :p :D

[amrael]

Thanks Colli. ;) :D


What I mean is that Snape being already a vampire simply wouldn't fit at all, unless you simply ignore a lot of things we know about him. Good enough for ffiction, where you can tweak and ignore things to your liking, but not for the real books.

Now, if you turn Snape into a vampire now, that might fit (though it would be a stretch, and, thinking plotwise, I'm afraid a bad idea) though I would actually like to see it... because I would like to see anything that places our dear Severus in the spotlight. Becoming a vampire, becoming a werewolf, marrying McGonagall, having an affair with Lupin...


Anything!!!!!


Here. Have I convinced you?

[Colli]

*grins*

I see. :D

I think JKR can cook up a story to cover Books 1-4... i.e. a Wolfbane-like Potion to control his.. erm.. tendencies. ;)

because I would like to see anything that places our dear Severus in the spotlight. Becoming a vampire, becoming a werewolf, marrying McGonagall, having an affair with Lupin...
:notworthy

.. almost dying and being saved by Harry, to Harry's death ;), getting a spiky new haircut, singing in the Welcome Back talent show...

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by amrael
marrying McGonagall,

:lol: I hadn't thought about that option! :eek: (But the Lupin one did cross my mind... :o As did on considering Sirius... :eek:

Here. Have I convinced you?

Nope :p Never :p

[amrael]

I must confess that seeing Snape involved with Lupin heads my list of Things-that-I would-love-and-have-not-a-chance-in-hell-to-actually-see. It's even higher than Harry getting almost killed and being rescued by a heroic Potions Master. :D

[Elfëa]

It's even higher than Harry getting almost killed and being rescued by a heroic Potions Master. :D

But that's not even impossible :p

[amrael]

Uh? Let's see:

Book 1 Severus Snape unjinxed Ms Potter's broomstick and in turn was set on fire by a misguided Gryffindor know-it-all-though-this-time-I've-got-it-wrong. THEN he graciously agreed to referee a match in order to protect said ungrateful Mr Potter placing himself heroically in the middle of flying bludgers.

Book 2: Following your Snape-Vampire Theory, Mr Potter was rescued from the basilisk by Snape in his bat form. He, out of modesty, glued some shiny coloured feathers to pass as Fawkes, not wishing to draw attention to himself. After all, the Potter boy wasn't going to thank him anyway.


Book 3: Well. He seems to be the only one to have realized that Lupin had forgotten his damned wolfsbane potion. Going to meet an (alleged) murderer who happens to hate you and an about to transform werewolf (whom you suspect of being in close allegiance to said murderer) looks pretty heroic to me.

Book 4: We surely don't know which task Dumbledore gave him, but I say it is heroic and that's it.

So?

[Colli]

Colli :trout:s amrael

:D She said it WASN'T impossible, silly.

But thanks for going to all the trouble to type that up. ;)

[Elfëa]

So what? :confused:

edit: Colli, thanks :trout:

hah. I just HAD to do it :p

[amrael]

OK, OK.

amrael slunks off

Don't know what I was exactly thinking about. I suppose it has been a long and tiring day. ;)

[Elfëa]

Same here :)

But at least the exams are over! :D :D

(only two portfolios to down... :eek: poetry and prose for my creative writing! :eek: and the bookreviews for them :()

[Kristin]

Hey folks, we're really starting to get off topic here. Remember to keep non-HP discussions to the Leaky Cauldron or the Pony. (And for that matter, Snape-as-a-vampire discussions don't belong in the who's-going-to-die-next thread.)

So to get back on topic...

Ravenclaw, I don't think Fred/George are in immediate danger. But I do think that at least one Weasley is going to die before the series ends (and you might be right with it being Fred and/or George). :(

[Elfëa]

We forget so easily how dark the HP world actually is - however bad it feels to lose characters, we haven't actually been told that there is a reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry - he could have just wanted to kill. Murder with not reason.

After all, Death Eaters had no reason to attack on Muggles - just desire for cruelty.

So, even if I don't want to give up on Weasleys, they are in danger. But I do not think they are in immediate danger :)

[StarGazr]

OK, I just had to add who I hope it's not... and that's Hermione. She's my favorite character in the books and the movies, and she's really the only lead female character in the series... well McGonagall is too... but you get my point. I really think it would be a tearjerker if she did die... Ron and Harry couldn't handle it, I know that much but....:( :( :(
And if it's Hagrid... ohhhh:( :( I love to hate Snape... he's such a cool evil guy... and Alan Rickman is the best bad guy in Hollywood! Kill Creevy... he's a big annoying fan and well... not that important to the storyline... IMHO

[Colli]

Colli :trout:s the Creevy-haters. ;)

I think Ron and Hermione are safe, in interviews Ms Rowling has more or less confirmed that they're ok, at least for OotP.

( sorry Kristin! :hug: )

I like to be sad when I watch movies and read books... so even though I'm probably going to horribly miss whatever character dies.. I'm quite looking forward to it. :D

Hagrid.. :( *sobs*

[Elfëa]

And I think because of the lack of female characters in the book (well, book can survive without leading female characters tho... look at LotR), Hermione isn't no where near danger :) I mean near to be killed... she can be in danger tho...

Colli.... did you just trout me??? :trout:

[Colli]

:D :trout:

Ah, Hermione, the damsel in distress.

Someone once asked Ms Rowling which character she was most like, and she confessed that it was Hermione.

So I guess whether Hermione lives or dies is dependant on how sadistic JKR is feeling that year. Er.. 3 years. :p

[Elfëa]

She can't kill herself :p

Unless she becomes suicidal...

I hope Ginny will play bigger part and would date Draco in order to make Harry jealous :p

[Ravenclaw]

Um... I forgot what I was going to say....

Oh yes! My Un-thought-of-person-to-die of the week! It is...


Dumbledore.

Yes, I know, it is VERY unoriginal, but I had a good one last night and forgot it. Besides, out of all the people I've listed so far, this is the one I most believe will happen (sadly :()

Think. JKR said it would be really hard to kill off this character. In GoF, she made it clear how old he looked. He IS a fan of Harry's. It would be worse than anyone else dying cause it leaves Harry unprotected. Ack!


Colli, it seems you like to :trout: alot, dontchya? Maybe you're the sadist around here. lol. Save it for the MI Toilets battle.... Hey, wait a minute... WE DON'T HAVE AN MI TOILETS?!?!?! Yikes!

[Monkfish]

Kill off Ron..........then Hermoine and Harry run off into the sunset together..........THE END.:D

[Ravenclaw]

:trout: to you for wanting to kill off my Ronniekins! No, no, he's staying.

[Colli]

:D Somehow I think Dumbledore needs to stick around until book 7.. but I dunno.

[Elfëa]

Agree with Colli, Harry needs his mentor and if Dumbledore dies he hasn't got a one. And that'll make it really difficult for him to survive, if impossible.

Monkfish... lets kill Hermione and let Harry and Ron run off into the sunset together :p

[amrael]

And that'll make it really difficult for him to survive, if impossible.



Fine enough. He doesn't, and that's that.

We get Hogwarts with Snape as Headmaster, Ron living happily with Draco and Hermione getting Madam Pince's position and dying of excitement at having the whole library to herself.

[Elfëa]

:rotfl:

And Snape marries McGonagall. He must... after that one wild drunken Halloween... ;)

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Elfëa
Harry needs his mentor and if Dumbledore dies he hasn't got a one.

Not necessarily. Luke Skywalker's mentor died halfway through the first movie... but he sticks around in ghost-mentor form. ;) :D

"Use the wand, Harry!" :p

[Elfëa]

:LOL:

I'm not so familiar with Star Wars actually :o Star Trek's a different thing tho :p

And I doupt that Dumbledore would stay around as ghost...

but wait, aren't we going to get to know why some people turn to ghost and others don't???? :D

[Amberion]

Perhaps that is Dumbledores big secret:D

[glaelia]

or maybe it's that dumbledore's already a ghost...? or indeed that he's running out of the elixer of life....?


;)

[Fleurdelacour]

Originally posted by Elfëa

but wait, aren't we going to get to know why some people turn to ghost and others don't???? :D

In, the seventh book though... *sigh*

lol Monkfish! :D

[Elfëa]

Do we have to wait till that? :(

I thought... nevermind :( :(

[Monkfish]

Originally posted by Elfëa
Monkfish... lets kill Hermione and let Harry and Ron run off into the sunset together :p [/B]

:eek:

[Elfëa]

What's wrong with that??? ;) :p

[amrael]

Don't kill Herm. Make her run off to the sunset with

a) Draco Malfoy

b) Ginny Weasley

c) A copy of Hogwarts: a history


:p


(or all of them together :eek: :D )

[Elfëa]

All of them together would be rather... erm...

interesting... :p

I bet it would be Ginny/Draco - Hermione/Hogwarts: A History

:p :p

[angleet]

I have no idea who, if anyone, will be killed off in OotP, but I just had to say that this thread reminds me of the one in LotR movies about what non-readers of the book think will happen next (http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2057). Many are convinced that: sam is going to die - or other things even more ridiculous. Reading that thread, I don't think I've heard of anyone who has guessed right.

Which means reading this thread after we've all finally read the book will be pretty funny. :D

[Elfëa]

I'm eagerly waiting for that day...

to come back and laugh, hopefully :)

wishes it'll be Creevy...

[lizz]

As long as it isnt SIRIUS. Thankfully he isnt a real fan of Harry.
But I have bad feelings about Hagrid. And as a wild guess. Hagrid can become a ghost.

[Fleurdelacour]

No, if Hagrid or anyone become a ghost after death, the sorrow and hurt of death wouldn't be as effective. I think JKR killed Cedric off to show how evil Voldie is, and she's gonna kill again, to show evil...

I think it's Hagrid, his death would stike a nerve in everyone... :(

[Colli]

:mad: If it's Hagrid I might just move to Hogwarts and strangle Malfoy myself.

Can you imagine all the comments he would make?

[angleet]

I found these two comments on mugglenet. They have several possibilities just as we do, but these two have the strongest arguments given for them:


1> Hagrid? J.K. Rowling said that one of Harry's "fans" would die AND, during Harry Potter Hour on the Rosie O'Donnell show Rosie asked Richard Harris (Dumbledore) if he was signed up for all seven movies and he said yes, when she asked Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid) he replied, "sort of". That leads me to believe that Hagrid might get the axe in book five.

There are no IMDB entries yet beyond book 4, so I can't look up to see if he is listed as a cast member.


2> Submitted by KT: I believe the one to get the "axe" in book 5 will be none other than Mrs. Weasley. Let's face it, she's become Harry's surrogate mother, and is definately a "fan." On an episode of "Biography" featuring J.K. Rowling, she specifically stated that one event in her own personal life that significantly changed the overall plot of the books was her own mother's death. It makes sense. If Mrs. Weasly died J.K. would in fact be writing the death of her own mother for the world, hence it being "horrible to write." Ginny would be like Rowling -- a girl growing up without a mother. This would set her up to be a strong female role and might help Harry to "notice" Ginny for the first time.

This is certainly quite a credible theory.

[Ravenclaw]

I like the Mrs. Weasley death IN THEORY! In actuality, I'm sure it would not sound so appealing...



Rav's unthought of death of the week....

OK so I haven't got one. Only cause someone pointed out flaws in the theory. :p

Um...

hi.

[amrael]

Don't like the Mrs Weasley theory because it would be too much for Harry to have his real mother and his surrogate mother bith killed by Voldemort. I think it would push him a bit too far.

I don't like the Hagrid theory... because I think I really really don't want to see him killed at all. He is the kindest soul at Hogwarts, never says wrong of anybody and doesn't complain even if he has very good reasons to do so. Yet I think he is the likeliest candidate.

I'd love to see Creevey go.

My unlikely and not mentioned (I think) bet for the week: Minerva McGonagall.

And I'd hate it if I'm right.

[Fleurdelacour]

Scary theory, but good....

In the middle of the school year, after Christmas, during Christmas for it to be really effective, really saddenning... etc...

Who knows what JKR will do!?

What about Ginny? She's a fan, but she's had a near death experience before...

[Ravenclaw]

We've talked about Ginny, haven't we?

I have a question. The word 'fan' bothers me for some reason... was it always in quotations? Is she sending secret messages to aliens reading the books in martian language? What if in martian language, 'fan' means enemy...

Wow, I really need sleep badly...

[Elfëa]

What about Ginny? She's a fan, but she's had a near death experience before...

But we all can say that JKR likes repetition......

But I don't want to lose her - the books already lack strong female characters - there really aren't any good female characters strongly described...

[Bleu Unicorn]

I'll stick my two-cents in.

First off, I don't like the Mrs. Weasley theory at all. Nope, nope, nope.

Hagrid is a strong contender in my book and actually the Rosie thing is part of it. But if we're talking "fan" (whether in quotes or not) he's definitely qualifying for that reason. It would definitely strike a chord with everyone, too -- though all the things Malfoy'd say might bother me. But he seems to fit this theorizing well. As someone said, JKR killed Cedric to show how evil Voldemort was -- and this death is going to be along the same lines.

Ginny is also another strong contender in my opinion. Now as a fan, obviously Colin is probably the biggest one, but she's sort of in the background idolizing him -- though it would seem a bit too obvious given CoS. [shrugs]

In a very unfortunate sense, Ron sort of fills this criteria too (and even Hermione to an extent), but I just can't see her killing off any of the "main" characters. Who would Harry's safety net be without those two? He'd have no one really close to him at all. Not in the way a child needs...erm...sorry Sociology major coming out. But seriously, I just don't see that one (and I'll be severely upset if it is!)

Just my thoughts.

[Colli]

:) JKR said in an interview that Ron and Hermione are safe in OotP. *whew* I can see Ron dying later, though.

[Seriphus]

My money's still on Hagrid. When Robbie Coltrane was first cast for the movie I remember him saying he was only signed on until book 5.
My friend said she'd heard there were going to be two deaths in OoTP. Don't know whether there's any substance in that rumour.

I don't think Mrs Weasley will die. JKR expressed the loss of her mother when she wrote the Mirror of Erised scene. Mrs Weasley isn't really in the thick of the action either, although I could see her risking her life to protect her children. I'd have thought that Mr Weasley would be more likely to be killed being a muggle fanatic and having had fights with Lucious. Then again anything could happen in these books.


Serphy

[Kristin]

That's true that JKR was never one to play by the rules.

Even having death of minor good guys (i.e. Cedric) isn't that common for kids' books. And who knows what we'll deaths we'll see in the coming books.

I once read a book where the main character was killed off 3/4 of the way through! Not that I think Harry will die ... but some major deaths could be coming. :(

[Fleurdelacour]

I'd grieve if any of my favoruite characters died... :( Go round weaering black and a silk veil...

I want, and dont want a major character to die. I want one to die so we can see how the characters left can deal with the deaths. Not just Harry. I want to see some things from someone else's point of view.

I don't want Ron or Hermione to die... :( But like Colli said, acordding to JKR, they're safe, for the time being anyway... :(

[lithorose]

I can see Ron dying, but not Hermione. She's the one that solves most of their problems. They wouldn't get far without her.

I have a bad feeling it's going to be someone I like, like Sirius or Lupin or Snape. Or even Dumbledore. He is getting up there. Then it will really be up to the good guys to work together to defeat Voldemort, since he only fears Dumbledore.
I don't think it'll be Creevy or anyone you'd want to die. Wouldn't mean much to kill off a less popular character. Well, we'll see what she has in store.:(

[Ravenclaw]

I just realized something watching an interview with Joss Whedon (Buffy creator.)

Everyone here has stated that Cedric died to emphasize Voldemort's evil-ness. I completely and totally agree with that. My dear friend Joss says something like this:

"We made him kill her to stress three things. First of all, we wanted the public to see that Angel is really evil, he's not in a bad mood, and he's not just hungry. Second of all, we wanted to show the public that no one is safe. Even a major, interesting character who adds to the plot and has a love interest with a certain school librarian can be disposed of. Just because they're fun and interesting doesn't mean they can't die. Secondly, I wanted to stress to the cast: Be nice to me and cooperate, or I'll kill you."

Well, OK, since JKR's characters aren't really alive, she can't really tell them to listen to her... BUT Joss makes a good point about pointing out that no one, no matter how beloved by the audiance, no character is actually ever assured of living to the next page. Just like we are never assured of living to the next day. Grim, but true.

Also, I think it's been mentioned that maybe Cedric's a ghost, but she won't do that, I'm almost sure of it. And if she does, I don't think I'll like her logic very much. Because though in Harry Potter land there are ghosts, she needs to show kids that not everyone has a chance at righting a wrong against them. Death is permanent. And she should show that through Cedric. And she should show that through whoever dies next in OotP.


Watch me come back after the fifth book comes out and scream at Joanne to make the character come back as a ghost. :LOL:


See you at the crossroads.

[Colli]

I think Rowling's trying to throw us off Hagrid's scent...


During an interview for Kids BBC, Victor Greensteet (reporter) asked Rowling if Harry would have a dragon for a pet. This is what she replied: "You can't tame a dragon, no matter what Hagrid thinks. It's simply impossible. So no. He has more common sense. He MAY have a different pet in the future, but for now, I won't say anything else".


i.e. "let's pretend Hagrid's going to be in the next books"

[Elfëa]

And we all know he's going to be there...


















to die :p

[Colli]

Colli tries to come up with someone else to die

I'm not necessarily suggesting it, but what you all think McGonagall's chances are? Haven't we talked about her already?

:p Surely if we keep on guessing, one of them will be right.

[Elfëa]

Originally posted by Colli
:p Surely if we keep on guessing, one of them will be right.

:LOL: Indeed. :LOL:

No chance :p

[glaelia]

have any of us considered the possibility of a NEW character being itroduced and then dying.....


???

[Elfëa]

I think we have :p

[Colli]

Yup, glaelia, around page one or two. I went back looking for whoever had mentioned Prof McG.. turns out no one had. :) But someone asked if we thought it was a new character...

But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it again. Elfea brings up Colin's name about every other post. :p ;)

[Elfëa]

But I only want to get rid of him :p

Hmm... do you think she'd kill a Malfoy? :p

[glaelia]

glae :trout: s elfea ggggggggrrrrrrrrrrr!!


think... harry's just won the triwizard tornament... lots of scope for new fans .........


:p

[Elfëa]

Glae...

not that I'd want to get rid of any of them - just a suggestion :p
:trout:

[glaelia]

oh, i wasn't trouting you for threatening to kill off the malfoys! i think that's a good idea! i just don't think it'll happen!!

can you email me your fanfic??? i'd love to read it? i've been writing a book for the last four years! i'm getting there... it's not fanfic but i'd love to you to read it one day! or at least partrs of it till it's finished!!


:hug:

glae

:D

[Elfëa]

Glae - here: HP fanfiction thread in the Leaky Cauldron :p (http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2263) :trout:

Oh, did I mention I want to get rid of Colin? :p

And glae- that's only a short story... coming up with two longer ones right now...

[amrael]

Posted by myself some 20 posts ago

My unlikely and not mentioned (I think) bet for the week: Minerva McGonagall.



:trout: Colli

It isn't much, but it wasn't about to lose such a good chance of trouting you. ;) :D

Hagrid still tops my list, but McG seems to be in serious danger. She might be considered a fan of Harry (or at least a fan of the Gryffindor seeker), and it would be very hard for Gryffindor House to lose her. It would be hard for everybody to see a teacher go. But then Sirius could be cleared, get the position of Transfiguration teacher. Then JKR brings Lupin back to the school and between them strat a horrible prank war against Snape that leaves Hogwarts in ruins making Voldie very happy. ;) :D :p

[Elfëa]

Love your ideas amrael! :D Oh, and don't forget the passionate affair between Remus and Sirius :p

And:

Trout Colli Here (http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2708) :p

Go go! You can trout her as many times you want to :p

[Seriphus]

I don't think McGonagall will die. She's one of the few main female characters.
Maybe the new DADA teacher will die, there's got to be some way of her not staying for two years.

[Colli]

LOL amrael! I thought someone had mentioned it.. but I looked back at the other pages and didn't see her name. :)

oops. ;)

I'm thinking Mrs Figg might be the DADA teacher.. and I don't really want to see a new character die :(

[Elfëa]

I don't want to see anyone die...

well, except Creevey :p

[Colli]

Neville! :devil:

Maybe he could be playing Quidditch and land on his head...

[Elfëa]

Neville doesn't deserve to die :mad: Elfea :trout:s Colli!

It's Creevey my dear... Creevey must die... ;)

[Ravenclaw]

Hey, I've an idea. Let's kill Voldemort, then everyone would be happy.

...

lol, like that would ever happen. :rolleyes:

There's gonna be a war. I know it. (Like Voldie vs rest of the world war... Kinda like WWII. Hitler vs rest of the world [sorta... ignoring german allies here.])

[Seriphus]

I've got a better idea: lets kill Neville and Colin Creevey. :p One of my friends did tell me she thought there were two deaths in book 5.

I guess Voldy has allies too; the dementors, the giants etc.

[Elfëa]

Hmm... can we kill the dementors? :D

:devil: *waves a machine gun...*

[stridersghirl]

I think ill join the kill Creavey Brigade ;) He is the only one i wouldnt cry if he died i think.

I think though it will be Hagrid, this will be his 5th book and there isnt much left for him to do after this apart from cry some more.

Then again it might be Lupin as well, just have a bad feeling :(

Who i really wouldnt like to go

Sirius

Lupin

Ron (Delighted to hear Ron is safe for just now, if he ever dies there will be tears for weeks !)

Dumbledore (aahhhh he cant die poor Harry will be lost)

Krum (leave the Bulgarian superstar alone :p )

Snape (he's still got so much more to do)

McGonnegal (might sound a bit daft but i think there is more to her than meets the eye)

Any Weasley - poor Mrs Weasley will be so upset and so will Ron it would be tragic !!!

Who i would like to go (since someone is dying)

Hagrid :( if it has to be a main character it has to be him
Creavey
Dobby
Neville
Cho

[glaelia]

totally agree with the above!! though i have to admit... i don't ever want hermione to go! she's by far my fav book character!! well, her and lee jordan! i love him... he's so funny :D

i couldn't bear it if jkr killed off lupin or sirius :jawdrop: can you imagine!!!


likewise i couldn't bear snape to be killed off...


i reckon dumbledore... hard but true... i don't think he'll last till the final book. i mean, if he does then he'll be involved in the final battle won't he... but i think jkr will want harry to have to deal with it by himself.... ie dumbledore will have to not be around... and anyway, if dumbledore and harry have THE BIG conversation in book five... why would he need to be around for books six and seven? i guess i'm pessimistic... but it makes sense... doesn't it?

aside from the fact that he's not really a fan.... if that's the case... i hope creevey gets it!!!


:devil: :devil:

[Elfëa]

I think I can bear with any character dying now. Seriously.

But I hope she won't be just killing a character for sake of having death in the book, thus making it darker and more "adulter" - death is a literary device and should be used carefully :p

[amrael]

I think I can bear with any character dying now. Seriously.



Can I enroll you in the 'let's kill the annoying green-eyed brat?' Gang?

:p :D

[Seriphus]

i reckon dumbledore... hard but true... i don't think he'll last till the final book. i mean, if he does then he'll be involved in the final battle won't he... After all if he's about to tell Harry everything in book 5, then his work here is done, so to speak.

[glaelia]

lol exactly what i was trying to say seriphus!

[amrael]

Look here. Albus Dumbledore tells Harry that he is going to be told everything and you believe him? How many 'it depends on the point of view', 'that was between somebody else and myself', 'well, at the time I didn't think it was all that important', 'you weren't ready to learnt everything about everything before' and so on do you think the Headmaster will keep up his sleeve? Ms Rowling has to keep several plot twists up her sleeve for books 6 & 7, and I wouldn't like to be told afterwards 'gee, it looks that Dumbledore missed more than half of the going ons'

Unless she plots for Harry to turn dark because he had lost his mentor. Now, that would be a plot twist... ;)

[Colli]

Originally posted by Elfëa
But I hope she won't be just killing a character for sake of having death in the book, thus making it darker and more "adulter" - death is a literary device and should be used carefully :p

I don't really think she's just killing for the sake of having a death, because of the way she has described it. She describes it (here we go ;)) as painful, hard, difficult, etc, for her to write.. and that puts me in the mind of her NEEDING this person to die to advance the book. :)

But I do agree, if it's just a "boohoo.. dark book" death, then I'll scream.

[Seriphus]

Look here. Albus Dumbledore tells Harry that he is going to be told everything and you believe him? How many 'it depends on the point of view', 'that was between somebody else and myself', 'well, at the time I didn't think it was all that important', 'you weren't ready to learnt everything about everything before' and so on do you think the Headmaster will keep up his sleeve? Ms Rowling has to keep several plot twists up her sleeve for books 6 & 7, and I wouldn't like to be told afterwards 'gee, it looks that Dumbledore missed more than half of the going ons' Well Dumbledore could tell Harry everything he knows and still leave things out. There's a subtle difference between 'everything I know' and 'I know everything'. He doesn't know everything; he didn't know the secret keepers had changed. There are plenty of characters left to provide interesting information in books 6 and 7 if Dumbly kicks the bucket in book 5.

[amrael]

Right you are Seriphus. And the Crouch/Moody fiasco was big enough as well.

Yet I still wouldn't trust Mr Twinkle Dumbledore an inch about the every in the everything. ;)

[Seriphus]

:LOL: He does have a way of letting people figure stuff out for themselves.

[eviltaz]

i would like to chat with fans from my own area please contact me!:) :notworthy

[Colli]

What's wrong with chatting with the rest of us? ;)

[Terry]

A fan of HP's will die, huh? Well, I agree that it won't be the main cast. And that includes Hagird. What's the point of killing Mrs. Weasley? It would be sad, but how would that affect things at Hogwart's, where all the action takes place. Hmmmm. Might be Cho Chang. Maybe. Or the Fleur girl. She's coming back to England. And she's a fan of HP's after he "saved" her sister. AND she didn't finish the 2nd or 3rd task. Definitely vulnerable. Well, that's my guess. Better than Hagrid, methinks.

[amrael]

I've got a terryfying image in my mind.


Maybe JKR has got mad, and the books have some strange curse in them so that the fans who die are us when reading it???? That way she doesn't have to write difficult stuff and gets rid of us pests... :p

[Elfëa]

:rotfl:

I love you amrael :hug:!

That's... that's it. :D *wipes of tears of laughter*

:jawdrop: wait... it could be meh... me? :eek:

[angleet]

Did you ever see or read 'The Name of the Rose?' Spoilers if you haven't....in that book, which was a murder mystery set in a middle age monastery, the murderer killed his victims by putting arsenic on the edge of the pages of a certain book that he didn't want anyone to read.

So, there you have it, an entirely muggle way of killing a 'fan' of HP. 1 in every 1000 copies of OotP will be poisoned - will you still DARE to read it?


:devil:

oh, just :trout: me, I'm being silly

[Colli]

New news... a quote from Robbie Coltrane from This is London (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/showbiz/articles/3642264?source=Metro)

'I know about what happens to Hagrid, which is something author JK Rowling told me from the beginning to help me prepare me for the part,' he said. 'There is a death in the fifth book of a central character. But I can't say more than that.'

Um...? Did he accidentally letting something slip, or is he trying to throw us off track?

[angleet]

I just read that on muggletnet as well - in fact it is so major I almost think you ought to put a spoiler block up there Colli. This pretty much decides it and I almost wish I hadn't read it :(

edit: That's much better! But now, I am sad, and already resigned to the death of Hagrid. I assume that it is related to his trying to get the giants on their side, and probably becomes a rallying point for the Giants against Voldie.

[Colli]

Oh.... yeah. I thought I had "spoilers" in the title.. but I just now remembered that I only put "spoilers" in my opening post.. I'll go back and edit.

[Elfëa]

Gah. Are we being erm... no idea..:o :p

[Fleurdelacour]

:eek: He said that did he?! :(

[Colli]

Yeah... I don't want to think that Hagrid will be the one to die... it's too cliched at this point.

But oh well.

We know it's not Ron or Hermione (or Harry ;)) and we know it's a central character. And why would Robbie Coltrane know who the character is, if it isn't him? Rowling just doesn't go around handing out major plot points for the fun of it!

[Elfëa]

But what if Coltraine is playing with the media to get some attention and publicity?

And I just put that in spoilers cause... dunno. I've never posted spoilers before, I think :p

[angleet]

Colli, what was the point of having a spoiler code in your post if you left the phrase Hagrid is going to die on the outside of it?

:p

Sorry, I don't mean to be the spoiler code police today.

:trout: me if you'd like

[Fleurdelacour]

Nah, Elfea, Robbie Colthrane isn't like that, he's one of 'em actors who stay out of the media spotlight

Angleet smells ;)

[angleet]

And Fleur likes it

OMG - I'm back in the 1st grade :eek: :p

Anyway, I saw this on CF posted by Kat, about a certain somebody not making it through the next book. To her credit, she posted this even before the news we had today:



the last lines of GoF in the Scholastic edition:

"Harry winked at them, turned to Uncle Vernon, and followed him silently from the station. There was no point worrying yet, he told himself, as he got into the back of the Dursley's car.

As Hagrid had said, what would come, would come...and he would have to meet it when it did."

the first thing i thought when i read this was that Harry would have to meet whatever would come when it did come. but as i'm a stickler for the english language, on second glance i noticed that it doesn't explicitly say "Harry would have to meet it when it did," it just says that "he" would have to meet it." from a grammatical standpoint, who's "he" in this sentence? Hagrid.


I agree with her analysis here. There are a lot of 'clues' that we've all found in earlier books after reading the later ones. I think this is probably intended to be one of them.

[Elfëa]

angleet- really have to agree! :D

Fleur and angleet need :trout:ting :D

[angleet]

Oh, I just thought of another one, from Book 1:

Dumbledore says "I would trust Hagrid with my life."

Will this be prophetic?

[Elfëa]

So. How will Hagrid die? Stomped by raged Hippogriffs? By Dementors? Because Ministry not trusting Giants anymore and starting to slaughter them?

[lithorose]

Dragons:D

Have we considered the possibility that this is a controlled leak meant to throw us off? I'm not believing anything until I read it in the book.

[Elfëa]

That's what I've been saying :rolleyes: :p

Dra(g)co(ns)? ;)

[Terry]

Well, thank you , spoiler patrol. I surely didn't want to see anything early. I prefer to wait for book. After all, it's only a few months away. And I've pre-ordered the book. So carry on patrol!

[Elfëa]

It is just a bad rumour :p

Just beware you won't come across it elsewhere... :o

[Terry]

I'm being careful, Elfea. I really hate finding out things before the book or the movie gets released. Remember the hoopla over the "secret" in the "Crying Game"? Well, I was careful, very careful and some dork in the movie line let the secret slip 10 MINTUES before I got into the theatre! I've been very careful since then. I HATE a spoiled story line. But thanks for the warning.

[Colli]

angleet, I didn't consider that third post of mine spoilers. "I don't want to think that Hagrid will die" is just speculation... we've been speculating on that since page 1. Kristin can come in and correct me if I'm wrong, but throwing Hagrid's name into the "Who's gonna die?" pool doesn't really seem like a spoiler at this point... not for people who have read the entire thread.

But :trout: anyways ;)

lithorose:
That was my original thought: is it a genuine slip, or is he trying to throw us off?

[Kristin]

I've thought from the beginning that Hagrid is likely to die, and that's not based on any outside evidence, just what my best guess is. I think a lot of people think Hagrid might be the one to die ... but that doesn't mean it's a spoiler. (Like saying, "I think Ron will make the Quidditch team" is a lot different from saying, "I read an interview where JKR says Ron will make the Quidditch team.")

As for the actors, I would be surprised if they know if/when their characters are going to die. Here's why: It's not necessary for acting. JKR supposedly told some actors some of what will be revealed about characters in future books -- but only so it would help their acting.

If Ron and Hermione are going to fall in love (which we assume but don't know right now) it could add something to the actors' performances for them to know that. They can play the beginnings of a crush. But what if JKR is planning to kill a character in book 6? Well, how would it help the actor's performance to know that?

[Seriphus]

Wow. And with the fact that Robbie Coltrane is (possibly?) only signed on for 5 movies. But maybe it is only media hype. Surely they wouldn't give this big a clue?

It'll be so great if the rumour is false and we really don't see the true one coming. :)

[stridersghirl]

I think after the new info (ill just put it in a spoiler anyway
since im not too sure if it is or not)


Hagrid will kill turn to the dark side under that curse and kill someone.

Maybe kill Sirius thinking that he is still bad and Hagrid thinks he is saving Harry.

Or maybe Hagrid dies to save someone Dumbledore possibly, but i dont really want that cause i think it would be a nice way to end the whole thing if Snape dies for Harry.

I do hope though that Hagrid doesnt have a normal death that would be really disappointing after the rumous !

[Terry]

Hee, hee, this thread is starting to look like a censored Eddie Murphy movie on TNT!!! Well, I can't give any spoilers cause I don't know any, so I'll just say that it would be a really bad idea to kill off Hagrid. He's a pivotal character in the book and the movie. And Robbie Coltrane is a big draw in theatres, especially for adults. To be honest, if the first two movies hadn't had the adult cast that it did, including Coltrane, I probably would have waited for the DVDs. Well, maybe. Anyhoo, I'm not saying that Rowling is writing her books in order that they look good on screen, but they DO look good on screen and the cast is a whole lot of the reason. I mean, if you have a good thing going, with a cast that bonds and delivers a fantastic movie, why take out a very large element of that success, in this case Hagrid. I'd bet a whole bag o' gold that Hagrid's safe! Any takers?

[angleet]

I'll take that bet, Terry, but it should only be for Leprechaun gold ;)

I agree with Kristin's idea of what is and isn't a spoiler, so my spoiler police hat is off today :)

[Terry]

You're on, Angleet!!! Hagrid will live!!! (Or I'll eat the Sorting Hat!)

[Fleurdelacour]

Knew this would happen. Some movie discussion enters the book discussion... *sigh*

[S]Maybe, JKR will kill of everyone so she can go in to obserity ;) Or actually, being serious, I do honestly think she will kill off Harry in the last book, to get closeure, y'know. It'll be like a friend dying (she did say this, when she finishes writing the books...) Or will she kill off everyone leaving a heartstopping CLIFF HANGER! Where fan fiction writers get to work after wiping away the tears... Yes, calm Carrie... I need sleep....

Where was I? Ah yes. To get closeure, she might just snuff 'em all ;)... She can get rid of Harry :p Oh I don't know... I don't think she'd do a clieched ending, hero lives.. :rolleyes:

[Terry]

Oh no, Fleur, this is all book. Harry Potter won't die. What would Rowling be thinking? Kill off her creation? What would be the point? Nooooo. And it wouldn't even be a good ending to a book. Every great author wants a good ending. Not clieched. Just a good ending. Harry dying won't solve anything.

And look at LOTR, everybody lived in THAT book! (Whoops, sorry, wrong forum! Sorry Fleur!)

[Fleurdelacour]

You've spolied the whole book.... :( *sigh*

She's hinted too... ;)

[angleet]

More on Hagrid. You will remember that this is described as 'a difficult death to write'. I just found this in an old AOL chat with JKR:

Ms. Rowling, which character besides Harry is your favorite, and why?
I think that would have to be Hagrid-- but I love Ron and Hermione too, and I also love writing characters like Gilderoy Lockhart, Snape, the Dursleys... it's such fun doing horrible things to them.

If Hagrid is her favorite character, then his death would certainly be difficult to write.

SO...you'll be eating that hat yet :D - but really, how awful to eat the sorting hat - wouldn't it cry at you all the way down? :eek:

And if it popped the sword out on the way, you'd certainly be in for it.

[Fleurdelacour]

Originally posted by angleet


SO...you'll be eating that hat yet :D - but really, how awful to eat the sorting hat - wouldn't it cry at you all the way down? :eek:




:rotfl:

[Terry]

Ah, Angleet, I'm still betting on no Hagrid death. And *ouch* thanks for that remimder of the Sorting Hat! But I won't feel it. Leprechaun Gold, or not, I'll still win out. Ms. Rowling will NEVER kill Hagrid!! If that happens....then we'll have to meet up and buy rounds!!

[Colli]

Hm... Harry will die to save Snape in book 7. He just has to. :D So Snape lives and Harry doesn't... and Snape is forever tortured seeing as how some Hogwarts girl has his (Harry's) baby and the cycle continues.... :swoon: Maybe the next series would be named after Snape. ;)

Terry, I think I'll join you on Hagrid not dying. Not because I don't think it will happen, but because I don't want it to. :D

[angleet]

Great Colli, does that mean you are in on the bet as well? I'm going to clean UP! :devil:

So you will BOTH owe me a round :beer:

[Elfëa]

Should we start HP Death Betting Agency?

On leprechaun gold, of course :D

[Terry]

But of course. There should be a betting thread somewhere here. NO on Hagid dying. And NO on HP dying. No, no, NO! Maybe someone should start an "odds" thread. It's not because I'm sentimental, just because that's what I believe will happen. My thoughts are....No HP, no Hagrid, No Hermione, NO Ron. Everybody else is up for grabs. In the spirit of Fred and George, we should bet on who lives or dies. I'm not good on doing "odds". Is anybody else? Since it's leprechaun gold, it hardly matters....

[Elfëa]

I've never bet so I really have no idea of odds... :o

[Terry]

Ah, me neither, Elfea. So I'll just bet Angleet 1000 galleons that HP, Ron, Hermoine, and Hagrid stay alive in book Five? How's that, Angleet? Are you game....? Especially that he knows that I know NOTHING about the upcoming book!! What say, dude?
l

[Kristin]

Originally posted by Terry
Maybe someone should start an "odds" thread.

I actually read a news article analyzing the "odds." :)

And I think Hagrid's survival odds are getting better... because it seems so obvious and everyone thinks it will be Hagrid. JKR doesn't like going with the obvious.

Maybe it will be Dobby. :p

[lithorose]

Why does everyone think it will be Hagrid? Me, I don't really care as long as it's not Sirius or Lupin. Or Snape, at least not till book 7.

What if the only one that lives is Hagrid? Everyone can all go out in a blaze of tragic glory in book 7, leaving Hagrid alone to tell the tale. :devil:

[Seriphus]

Harry Potter won't die. What would Rowling be thinking? Kill off her creation? Well technically with anyone she kills off she'll be killing off her creation. :) Harry dying would be a brilliant ending IMO, especially if he's tied to Voldemort's mortality somehow.

[Terry]

But that would be so tragic!!!! I, personally, probably would be devastated! No, Rowling will keep Harry alive. He has to marry Cho someday, right? And raise little seekers for Hogwarts.

[Fleurdelacour]

Originally posted by Seriphus
Harry dying would be a brilliant ending IMO, especially if he's tied to Voldemort's mortality somehow.

That's what I always thought after the whole blood affair ;) Dumbledore had that funny look in his eyes, he could of been thinking "Oh dear..." If Harry defeats Voldie (with Ron and Hermione's help ;) ) then because of their connection, Harry snuffs it too!

The last word of book seven, will be scar, maybe it'd be a sentance like, oh I don't know... "No one would ever forget that boy with the scar." cheesy, yes, but you never know. I'm betting on Harry dying at the end of book seven. Otherwise people will be begging for her to write Harry Potter and his Nagging Wife, Harry Potter and his bratty Children, Harry Potter and the Midlife Crisis, Harry Potter and the great needle of Botox!

I bet 1,000,000 Galleons! :D

[Sars]

If Harry defeats Voldie (with Ron and Hermione's help ) then because of their connection, Harry snuffs it too!

Hee! The idea of Dumbledore just casually rattling off 'Harry snuffs it'.

I'm pretty sure the ending will be finally final. Otherwise you're right, people will never stop bugging her for Harry Potter 8: Life After Hogwarts.

Or if she's evil she'll...

'Harry looked down at the body of Voldemort lying on the same ground where he had murdered Harry's parents seventeen years ago. Finally he was gone, and Harry was free of all the darkness and doubt that he had brought. Eyes shining with tears, he looked up at Ron and Hermione, his two best friends. Hermione was openly crying now, and Ron's eyes looked slightly glazed. But they were both smiling. Harry started to walk towards them through the rubble, but suddenly his legs felt heavy. White mist seemed to appear around his vision, and then...

He woke up in the cupboard under the stairs, in his old bed made of a simple mattress. It had all been a dream....'

Muahahah!

Of course, JK Rowling is a lot nicer than me.

[lithorose]

That would be horrible. But I read somewhere that JKR said that wouldn't be happening, that it would be a mean thing to do to the readers. Whew!

[Terry]

Ah, see, Fleur, I think that the "blood thing" is GOOD for Harry. I think that because "Voldie" (love the nick name) has got HP's blood, he's now more human, more vulnerable. But I love the whole notion of HP going through Mid-Life crisis......hee, hee. HP buying a flying red Porsche....hee, hee....

[Haldomere Banks]

Maybe closure will come because the spell or whatever needed to finally wipe our V will permanently sap all of Harry's magical ability (like Superman and pink kryptonite (or whatever color it was).

Hjal

[Terry]

Pink? I always thought kryptonite was green? (Harry won't DIE!)

[glaelia]

to be honest, i'd be really disappointed in jkr if she wasn't brave enough to kill him off at the end of book seven.... but, i know it's a children's book and as such i am likely to remain... disapointed....

[Sars]

A flying red porshe? This is starting to scream comedy fanfiction.

I'm not inclined to suggest dead! Harry either. It IS a children's book, and yeah, she killed off Cedric and it looks as though a few more are in for the axe as well, but I can't see her killing Harry. He's the long-suffering orphaned hero, and this book is out to send a good message about Good Triumphing Over Evil as well as a great story.

Having said that, I do think Harry's in for a seriously bumpy ride before he gets that red porshe though.

[Colli]

I don't think whether Harry dies or not comes down to how BRAVE Rowling is... she's not going to be peer pressured into deciding on the ending of the book. If Harry lives, it's because she wants him to live, not because she's afraid readers can't handle it. She's already pretty much implied in interviews (link (http://www.mugglenet.com/jk.shtml)) that she thinks kids can handle a lot more than adults give them credit for.

Harry Potter is only really a children's book in the sense that it's about children and a lot of children like to read it. Consider this: there's swearing in Harry Potter, there's death (rather viscious death), there's pain, there's suffering, there's betrayal. And it sounds like book 5 will be even worse. What in the past 4 books makes you think that Rowling is going to go for a soft fluffy ending? She's going to continue the series she sees fit, and in my mind that does *not* include the same storylines a typical children's book would follow. :)

[Fleurdelacour]

Ah, see, Fleur, I think that the "blood thing" is GOOD for Harry. I think that because "Voldie" (love the nick name) has got HP's blood, he's now more human, more vulnerable.

But Voldie, has all these conncections with Harry! The wands, the scar Adava Kedavra thing. :p They're connected! It's gotta mean something more! btw, I'll probaly slate everything you say as you've ruined my reading on LotR... I managed to stay away from spoilers for three years... Gonna make you feel v guilty ;)

[Terry]

Hey Sars, you said what I wanted to say, only much better. Ta!

You have a good point, Colli. I doubt her ending will be warm and fluffy, but I do believe that HP will be alive on the last page.

Oh GOSH, Fleur, I didn't mean EVERYBODY lived, I mean, OF COURSE they didn't. That....guy died, you know, the one you thought wouldn't, and the other guy died too! So see, there's some mystery left!

[Elfëa]

Actually, the fact it's children's book doesn't make it have to be light.

What we have talked about children's literature in my writing classes at uni, it isn't necessary any lighter than "adult" literature. :)

From FictionAlley's quote thingie:
This is my Holy Grail: that when I finish writing book seven, I can say--hand on heart--I didn't change a thing. I wrote the story I meant to write. If I lost readers along the way, so be it, but I still told my story. The one I wanted."... - JK Rowling

[StarGazr]

I hope that JKR tells the story she wants, and if that means killing Harry in book seven, then so be it. But here is why I don't think she would. If Harry were killed, in a way it makes him a martyr... and I think that a lot of kids wouldn't understand that. There are a lot of intelligent teenagers and adults that read these books that would indeed understand why Harry was killed and what it means in the larger scale of the series, but younger kids would see it as their hero dying and the bad guy winning. I think that in the eyes of children (I'm talking 8, 9, 10 year olds), this would ruin the series... but that's just what I gather from the kids I work with at the daycare. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from?

[Terry]

Yes, StarGazr, I do. I've worked with children of all ages for many years. I agree. It wouldn't make "sense" to them. It wouldn't be "right". For a protaganist to become a martyr....well, that's a complex thing. And this is a book series written primarily for children. I think that Harry will live. Not unscathed, mind you, but living in the end. So I think you're right on the mark. We can look forward to having "our" Harry for awhile yet!

[Colli]

I think that that's a valid argument, I just don't believe that's what Rowling is. She has a very high opinion of children and she isn't afraid to show them things other adults wouldn't show them.
Have you ever thought "Maybe I should tone it down"?
No. I know that sounds kind of brutal but no, I haven't. The bottom line is, I have to write the story I want to write. I never wrote them with a focus group of 8-year-olds in mind. I have to continue telling the story the way I want to tell it. I don't at all relish the idea of children in tears, and I absolutely don't deny it's frightening. But it's supposed to be frightening! And if you don't show how scary that is, you cannot show how incredibly brave Harry is. He's really brave, and he does, I think, one of his bravest things in this book: He can't save Cedric, but he wants to save Cedric's parents additional pain. He wants to bring back the body and treat it with respect.

As your fan base is growing larger, and maybe even younger, do you feel any sense of social responsibility, any sense of responsibilities to their sensibilities?
I cannot write to please other people. I can't. When I finish book 7, I want to be able to look in the mirror and think, I did it the way I meant to do it. If I lose readers in the process, I'm not going to throw a party about it. But I would feel far worse if I knew that I had allowed myself to write something different. Yet, I do have parents coming up to me and saying "He's 6 and he loved your book!" And I've always kind of been, "Well, that's great, but I know what's coming, and I think 6 is a tiny bit too young." I've always felt that. With my daughter and "Goblet of Fire," I'm reading it to her. Her reading age is pretty advanced, but I said, "I'm gonna read that one to you. It's scary, and I want to be there with you, and then we can talk about it." That would be my feeling if parents feel that.


There's another quote of hers that I can't find, but I'll keep looking.

Oh, here (http://www.mugglenet.com/cbcinterview1.shtml).. about halfway down. She talks about children and fear and murder.

[Elfëa]

And also - it's the publishers and media that have said they're children's books, not Rowling :)

That's what I tried to say with the quote I first posted :)

[Colli]

:) Yup.

I just edited my post and added a link.

I like Jo's philosophy on all of this.

[Fleurdelacour]

I love JKR for her mind :) She's created these amazing books, the best books I've ever read. She's not afraid of what to write, and it's not as if her publishers are going to turn down her work at this stage in her career (they did in the past but you all knew that) and she also said in another interview that children shouldn't be treated differently as adults. Never under estimate kids :)

I don't at all relish the idea of children in tears


It's not just children :p :o

[Terry]

I loved that interview, Colli. Thanks for the link. She's really an interesting person, isn't she? I just can't wait for the next three books...although I am a bit worried about who winds up getting killed. No matter which of Harry's fans "buys" it, I'll bawl like a baby!

[Colli]

It's teenagers.. adults... ;)

(edit) No problem, Terry!

[Fleurdelacour]

Oh yes adults too ;) My old Physics teacher cried when Cedric died too :D

[lithorose]

Just because Harry dies wouldn't mean that Voldie would win. I think kids will understand his death if it has reason and significance. I mean, I grew up in the church, and was exposed to Christ's crucifixion from a very young age; can't say I couldn't handle it. The kinds of death kids can't take (I think) are the ones that seem unnecessary and meaningless; but then adults don't understand them either. Look at how many of our soldiers couldn't deal with Vietnam. How many people can't deal with school shootings and such. They don't make any sense to us as adults; they won't make much sense to kids either.

[Colli]

Here's another "hint".. or not a hint. It's not really a spoiler, but some people might want to group it with their evidence of whether Hagrid is or isn't going to die.

In an interview, Parkinson said "We have read in the papers recently that Hagrid dies in the next book, Robbie looked at him warily and said "I honestly don’t know!!"

[Elfëa]

he's going to die then :p

[Fleurdelacour]

Oh I saw that Parkinson! He did look pretty dodgy as he was saying it, eyes darted to the floor, hands went up then down.

[Ravenclaw]

Nuts! Seems I could lose my 100 galleons then... I wonder if I can change me bet....

[Fleurdelacour]

I think I have decided... Now that this Scholastic catalog has been released...

This "unbearable sacrifice" is scaring me senseless.... Ron? Hermione?!

:eek: :(

She wouldn't would she?

[lithorose]

She might. :( But that would be HORRIBLE!

On the bright side, though...it would leave a spot open at the Weasely dinner table!:devil:

[Terry]

Thank goodness for spoiler "blanks"! I definitely am not reading anything from that scholastic catalog. Why in the world would a "scholastic" catalog reveal the plot of a book? :confused:

[lithorose]

It doesn't, actually. Just a couple minor details like...well, I won't say;) But it's nothing major, really!

[Terry]

Thanks, Lithorose. I'm keeping myself studiously spoiler-free for TOoP, as well as RoTK and the last SW movie, well, as much as I can. I pretty much know how the RoTK and the last SW movie will turn out anyhoo.

But I have absolutely no idea what JKR will do with her books. I love a good surprise!

[lithorose]

Not a whole lot of surprises left in those stories, I'm afraid;) I understand not wanting to know; I am avoiding as many Matrix spoilers as I can...

[Colli]

Off topic (eep!): But you did watch the final trailer, right? :swoon:

Tom Felton was quoted on MuggleNet.com as saying that he had a feeling that his character was going to "plunge to a bloody death" in OotP. It's rather obvious that he's joking.. but it's funny anyway. ;)

[Ravenclaw]

In reply to your "spoiler side convo"

True, she might do it... But I thought she said Ron and 'Mione are safe, didn't she? Course, writers often give half-truths in order to keep the surprise... misleading... She said once Lupin was one of her fav characters in the series... you don't think... :eek:

So, what, we put all our guesses in spoiler blanks now? lol. Actually, that's not a bad idea... Call me pathetic, but I think it's fun highlighting things to see what it says... LOL, like those books were you need those red glasses to read the words through the red stuff...

Yes, I know I am pathetic.

On a completely unrelated note (and, I must admit, fishing for sympathy) I tore two out of three ligaments in my ankle on Thursday and am now in a cast and on crutches. This is immediately following the healing of my sprained wrist. On the stairs today, my crutch fell and I hurt my other foot.

Come see the freakish klutz, right here!

[lithorose]

:hug: to Ravenclaw.

It's not really necessary to put this stuff in code, but it's still fun...I know how maddening a secret conversation is when I'm trying to avoid spoilers!:devil:

You don't really think it'll be Lupin, do you? I don't actually remember JKR saying it wouldn't be Ron or Hermione. How many days till it comes out?

[Fleurdelacour]

Just for Ravenclaw ;)

*hugs* lol, yes it is fun ;)

and back on le topic



Right, a fan, and sacrifice. They're the only clues. It's Hagrid, isn't it? :(

[lithorose]

Unless it's... A 20 inch one, blue, variable speeds, with safety guards et all. It then takes a little tumble from Harry's window at the Dursleys.


Hey, it could happen...:D

[Ravenclaw]

Lol, yeah, that would be a sacrifice. What would Dudley do without his wonderful slave to keep him cool in the summer?

Beg mom and dad for another, that's what. Actually, he wouldn't have to beg, just have a tantrum... or ask, but I don't think that would occur to him.

I really have no clue who it is. Lupin, Ron, Hermione, Hagrid... It could be either, all, or none of these... EEK! All? Did I just say ALL?? Ack, imagine a book without all four of them... dang, Harry would need some serious theropy.

[lithorose]

:eek:Don't say that!:eek: I don't think I could handle that. JKR would probably get a death threat! (but not from me, of course!;))

[Colli]

Lithorose.. I have been admiring your sig for ages now, I'd just like to (finally) take the opportunity to say I like it. And it makes me giggle. :D

I don't really have an idea of who's going to die, either. But certainly not all 4 of them! (It's speculation, not spoiler). Just as long as it's not Snape, I'll be happy. :)

[Terry]

Same here, Lithorose. Every time I see it I laugh! Soooo typical of our lovely Snape.

Colli, I don't want to see Lucius die either! Love that long, white, wavy hair.... but then he's not a fan of Harry's is he? So I guess he's safe! Yea!

I don't have a clue, but just thoughts. I wonder if it's someone we've not thought of? Have we talked about Cho Chang? I think we did. What about Dobby? He's a big fan and would definitely die defending him, I think. Have we talked about Dobby?

[lithorose]

:bows: Why thank you! (I got it from someone on Mugglenet :o) It's 100% Snape though. :D

I don't think it will be Cho. It would be kinda weird after just losing Diggory in the last book. I don't think it'll be Creevey either, because so many people already want him dead. Her statements are always so cryptic! Arggh!

[Ravenclaw]

Ack, yes we've discussed cho & dobby, but not since a while ago... yeah, I agree, I don't think cho's goin any time soon...



Um...

Rav's Unexpected-Person-To-Die of the Week:

Draco Malfoy

Heh heh... I have my resons for saying that. He's sorta the anti-hero of the whole thing... He hates Harry, yeah, but he's OBVIOUSLY jealous of him! Gosh, since I'm so lazy to get my book (and I have a huge white thing on my foot) I'm just gonna remind you that in book 2, our young antihero was complaining to his father about his fellow Gryffindor classmates, sounding jealous of Harry, in particular.

"And Potter got on the Quidditch team and was given a Nimbus 2000 and everything!"

So that's not a direct quote, but something like that. And he goes on and on about "Potter this" and "Potter that" until his father tells him to shut up.

As I've said before, writers speak in half-truths. This "fan" could merely be someone jealous. And this "Huge sacrifice" could be Draco realizin which side he's on, then jumping to his doom as a martyr.


Then again, I say these only because they have not been said and I don't nessissarily know or think that this is going to happen.

[Fleurdelacour]

I just thought of someone, but I can't remember whether we've already discussed it... Ginny! She adores Harry, she's Ron's sister... A friend, would she make a sacrifice for Harry? She's a Gryffindor why not?! LESS THEN TWO MONTHS!!!

Today I was spring cleaning (a rare thing) and found half an interview with JKR printed off the Internet. It was dated 1998, so it wasn't mine, but it might be worthwile going through JKR's old interviews to see what her clues where then and see if her clues applied to the books... Like, to see her technique of either fooling us, or helping us out!

[Kristin]

Oh I like that idea, Fleur. Tragic, but not one of my favorite characters.

Of course....
Ginny already had her brush with death. Is she really going to be targeted again?

[Fleurdelacour]

JKR also said (well I think she did, might have been a rumour) that Ginny would have a bigger role to play in OotP...

[Colli]

*sigh*

....

Colli walks in and puts up a memorial in honor of the recently departed.

:(